and I would look very sexy driving it. That car is a mechanical manifestation of my energy, power, and overwhelming charisma, if I may say so in all modesty.
Shelby raced resembling Cobras in the Sixties (won world-championship by 1965 – Commendatore hin, Ferrari her). ZiL-112S of 1962 or 1961 – about the time of the 289. Replica of 1940s’ Ferraris is a stretch.
I agree with some guys,at least all Soviet and Russian cars copied from U ASS of A’s “original” designs.they copied,four wheels,Windows,steering,engines and much much more! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !differentiate between “inspiration and copy”! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Well, ZiL’s current engine I meant. Designation should be ZiL-115, I guess. Used in ZiL-115 and later ZiL-4104xx cars. ZiL-112S/65 used ZiL-117’s and ZiL-114’s aluminum 7.0l V8, which I think of as an OHV.
The 7.0 in the drawing is clearly pushrod and should depict a ZiL-114 or what it may be called.
All the photos show the ZiL-115 OHC.
Revolutionary is so relative. Soviet diesels in tanks and bombers were 4-valve- DOHC in second world war. About the biggest diesels one (me) could want in something like the Railton, Blastolene’s tank car or the like, by the way.
So from ZiL-115 on they were OHC. About the 112S/65 I don’t really know. Neither drawing nor photo so far.
I dont think design is copied. I always though that russian cars looked pretty original. The latest model of volga is however baced on a chassis of a 10yo chrysler
I take it you’re referring to the Gaz Siber. The vehicle is based off the previous generation Chrysler Sebring. However, all the tooling was bought from Chrysler and Chrysler of Mexico is providing the 2.4 liter engine for the Siber. The vehicle is made in Russia but it is an approved copy of the Sebring. It’s sort of a similar situation with the Santana 2500 and Land Rover Defender.
“Plus, nothing beats driving an open-top Jeep down the beach (except for blasting down a twisty back road on a motorcycle, of course). Sure, gas is kinda pricey, but what the hell, I can afford it”
It is a paradox inherent to the USSR that the country able to build the first satellite and send the first man on the orbit was unable to make a widely available, decent car.
I heard somewhere (unconfirmed, it can be a joke or an urban legend) that “Grapes of wrath” were banned in USSR as it was claimed unacceptable to show the inhabitants of the worker´s paradise a poor American family which owns a car, while Soviet worker walks per pedes apostolorum or rides a bike…
The first car is actually the one used by the head of the party (whoever that was at the time) when doing parades. He was standing and holding onto the handle in the center. I saw that car in the car museum that’s part of the GAZ (?) automobile factory in Nizhny Novgorod. You can see lots of classic russian cars, some military vehicles and also some newer models that look really nice. If you are interested in russian cars it’s well worth a visit.
In 1961 as ZiL-112S, subsequently modified to ZiL-112S/65 in 1965.
Primarily inspired by Ferrari Testa Rossa racers around 1958-1962, if I’m not to far off.
Straight-eight is just a more traditional concept, built all over the world in its time. To USSR they came from the US. Today they are rare because of packaging and weight reasons mainly.
Lots of non-critical and cheap tech were bought by soviets. V8 engines from Studebaker / Packard and from Fiat example. Often complete packages of design and tooling or entire production lines. Where’s the problem?
Hey great post.
About the Volkswagen Phaeton, did you know it’s nothing more then a reskinned Bentley Continental GT? Sad, but true.
The VW Phaeton was a absolute fail in my opinion!
Did you throw in the pic of the AC Bristol because it is sitting in Russia?
The race car is a ZiL-112S.
and I would look very sexy driving it. That car is a mechanical manifestation of my energy, power, and overwhelming charisma, if I may say so in all modesty.
Shelby raced resembling Cobras in the Sixties (won world-championship by 1965 – Commendatore hin, Ferrari her). ZiL-112S of 1962 or 1961 – about the time of the 289. Replica of 1940s’ Ferraris is a stretch.
Grand Sport, Cheetah, Daytona Coupé, ZL-1 & L-88, ’67 Eldorado and early Toronado (actually ’70 Eldorados with ’67 fronts I see).. – just my preferred era.
And above, now there are the ZiL-117 and replicas of ZiL-112S that have to be built with supercharged 7.7 alloys 🙂
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They copy cars from USA
In Soviet Russia car chops your roof off!
on third and fourth picture is polish car Warszawa M-20
The last few pictures are not cabrios. These are cheap off-road cars where tent is used instead of metal because it’s cheaper and lighter.
then they made these things
http://www.armees.com/IMG/jpg/Topol-M_zima1211x1290.jpg
Looks like most of these were reserved for high-ranking military personnel and aristocrats.
There were no aristocrats in Soviet Union. Everyone was equal.
yes but some were more equal than the other so they could have huge ass limos lol
I agree with some guys,at least all Soviet and Russian cars copied from U ASS of A’s “original” designs.they copied,four wheels,Windows,steering,engines and much much more! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !differentiate between “inspiration and copy”! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Jesus, did the Ruskies steal all ideas from the Americans in terms of car designs?
Pretty much, yes.
Great fun to drive in nice weather.
Nicht shissen! Das ist rus kabriolet!
Hell, to him the whole of Russia is a copy of the USA.
…but then Tupolev refined and developed the Tu-4 into the oustanding Tu-95/142.
Please let me know if anybody ever heard of foreign patterns for ZiL’s 7.7 liter OHC aluminum V8s.
Well, ZiL’s current engine I meant. Designation should be ZiL-115, I guess. Used in ZiL-115 and later ZiL-4104xx cars. ZiL-112S/65 used ZiL-117’s and ZiL-114’s aluminum 7.0l V8, which I think of as an OHV.
zhurnal.lib.ru/k/kostin_k_a/1961zil-112s.shtml
photos at
forum.oldtimer-info.de/showmessages.afp?!_2DG13J56Wtempid=§ion=6&thread=6054&xid=901487&startpoint=19
The 7.0 in the drawing is clearly pushrod and should depict a ZiL-114 or what it may be called.
All the photos show the ZiL-115 OHC.
Revolutionary is so relative. Soviet diesels in tanks and bombers were 4-valve- DOHC in second world war. About the biggest diesels one (me) could want in something like the Railton, Blastolene’s tank car or the like, by the way.
So from ZiL-115 on they were OHC. About the 112S/65 I don’t really know. Neither drawing nor photo so far.
The roadster with the straight-eight was the ZiS-101-Sport or ZiS-101A-Sport (12th picture).
I dont think design is copied. I always though that russian cars looked pretty original. The latest model of volga is however baced on a chassis of a 10yo chrysler
I take it you’re referring to the Gaz Siber. The vehicle is based off the previous generation Chrysler Sebring. However, all the tooling was bought from Chrysler and Chrysler of Mexico is providing the 2.4 liter engine for the Siber. The vehicle is made in Russia but it is an approved copy of the Sebring. It’s sort of a similar situation with the Santana 2500 and Land Rover Defender.
Maybe we should follow Russian example and promote use of smaller engines.
“Plus, nothing beats driving an open-top Jeep down the beach (except for blasting down a twisty back road on a motorcycle, of course). Sure, gas is kinda pricey, but what the hell, I can afford it”
Arnie?
Did the Boss 429, Trans Am, Norton Command(72). Now it’s a 4 banger Ranger and a Schwinn. Also a 62 Buick skylark convertible (cabrio)in 75.
It is a paradox inherent to the USSR that the country able to build the first satellite and send the first man on the orbit was unable to make a widely available, decent car.
I heard somewhere (unconfirmed, it can be a joke or an urban legend) that “Grapes of wrath” were banned in USSR as it was claimed unacceptable to show the inhabitants of the worker´s paradise a poor American family which owns a car, while Soviet worker walks per pedes apostolorum or rides a bike…
The first car is actually the one used by the head of the party (whoever that was at the time) when doing parades. He was standing and holding onto the handle in the center. I saw that car in the car museum that’s part of the GAZ (?) automobile factory in Nizhny Novgorod. You can see lots of classic russian cars, some military vehicles and also some newer models that look really nice. If you are interested in russian cars it’s well worth a visit.
It’s no secret Russians copied cars from the US. Everyone knows that.
P 12 would make and nice restro-rod
What is the red thing on the car in third picture? It looks like a fire extinguisher.
Its a coffee flask for night racing
ROFL 🙂 That’s good.
The 8th car down looks alot like an AC Bristol/Ace Cobra. I wonder when it was manufactured?
In 1961 as ZiL-112S, subsequently modified to ZiL-112S/65 in 1965.
Primarily inspired by Ferrari Testa Rossa racers around 1958-1962, if I’m not to far off.
Correct me if i am wrong but this is not Sovet Russia (1918-1922), but the Soviet Union (1922-1991).
Article about russian Pobeda military phaeton is published here: http://gaz20.spb.ru/modif_exotic_phaeton.htm
Article about russian Pobeda military phaeton is published here: http://gaz20.spb.ru/modif_exotic_phaeton.htm
Does anyone know what this car is?
http://englishrussia.com/images/soviet_cabrios/12.jpg
That was ZiS-101-Sport or ZiS-101A-Sport
Straight-eight is just a more traditional concept, built all over the world in its time. To USSR they came from the US. Today they are rare because of packaging and weight reasons mainly.
Lots of non-critical and cheap tech were bought by soviets. V8 engines from Studebaker / Packard and from Fiat example. Often complete packages of design and tooling or entire production lines. Where’s the problem?
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6 photo from Novosibirsk
The third one from the bottom to top is an IMS, a romanian communist car… :)) You russians take what’s not yours even on the internet :))
Hey great post.
About the Volkswagen Phaeton, did you know it’s nothing more then a reskinned Bentley Continental GT? Sad, but true.
The VW Phaeton was a absolute fail in my opinion!
Its In: Volkswagen Phaeton is a failure!